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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 11:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really glad you wrote this because it&#039;s nice to have a different perspective.  I&#039;m an American living in the UK and when I visit the US people ask me how bad the NHS here is.  I am always honest and say that it costs about half to a third less than the better US plans and the coverage is universal.  Do I wait a bit longer for non-emergency proceedures, probably.  But I don&#039;t mind because when my husband needed Emergency services, they were quick and efficient and we waited no longer in the UK A&amp;E waiting room than we would in hospital emergency rooms in the US.  It sounds like Germany&#039;s is even better than the UK&#039;s.  I would love to live in Germany for a while to compare the German and the British healthcare systems.  Thank you again for your insight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really glad you wrote this because it&#8217;s nice to have a different perspective.  I&#8217;m an American living in the UK and when I visit the US people ask me how bad the NHS here is.  I am always honest and say that it costs about half to a third less than the better US plans and the coverage is universal.  Do I wait a bit longer for non-emergency proceedures, probably.  But I don&#8217;t mind because when my husband needed Emergency services, they were quick and efficient and we waited no longer in the UK A&amp;E waiting room than we would in hospital emergency rooms in the US.  It sounds like Germany&#8217;s is even better than the UK&#8217;s.  I would love to live in Germany for a while to compare the German and the British healthcare systems.  Thank you again for your insight.</p>
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		<title>By: silvia</title>
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		<dc:creator>silvia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have lived in the US for 11 years now, and I am outraged by the stupidity of the Americans when it comes to universal healthcare. They just don&#039;t get it. There not much for change, and townhall meetings are full with elderly&#039;s, screeming hell what they don&#039;t want in the future, don&#039;t need and so on, even tho they are on Medicare anyways, but I rarely see middle aged folks standing up with their opinion.
The republicans scare the living hell out of the people with lies and stupid, rediculous reasons why national healthcare is bad, it makes my toe nails curl up!

I am a native of Germany and enjoyed the healthcare system while I lived over there. I never had to worry about my life or had to spent a penny out of pocket except for a prescription fee and some dental work. I never expedted to be seen by a doctor this instant, and I really did&#039;t think any wait was a major dissaster, nor did I ever receive bad treatment anywhere.

Now to the US. I came here debt free, got a job, so did my husband. We both had seperate health insurance plans offered by our employers. No need to go out and choose one of the non competetive creedy crooks on the private market.
We had a 200$ deductible, a 25$ copay when seeing a doctor, and full prescription coverage. Emergency room cost was at 100$ a visit, short and long term disability in case of an accident or illness available and coverd, plus disability payments for a time period when wages are lost. We felt fortunate and blessed that we got plans that good and felt all around secure.

Fast forward, two years later. I have fallen ill, needed a hospital stay, blood transfusions, lab testing and expensive medications. My illness is permanent, which puts a pre-existing condition stamp on my forehead. I lost my job, my insurance due to lack of hourly labor contribution, was left with a copay in the thousands, and the hospital collection agency calling on a daily basis. Care was excellent, no extra charges on the single room, no waiting for the doctor to show up to answer questions. To this day, I am beeing cared for in a superb manner. However, we have struggled to be covered again due to my pre-existing condition and job changes. Times have changed, private plans are so expensive, no family of three or four can afford them without taking on second and third jobs on the side. People are looking forward to employer sponsored health care plans. The downside unfortunately is, that people are stuck with those plans and outrageous deductibles and copays. I went from 200$ 11 years ago, to 6000$ today. That means, if I see a doctor, no matter what specialty, it costs me what ever he is charging, no matter the network. There has never been a shortage of in-network hospitals or doctors in my area, but that doesn&#039;t benfit me in any way since we pay,pay,pay til doomsday up until the deductible is satisfied. Lab work in connection with a office visit is no longer covered, DNA testing is out of pocket anyway, running a whopping 1200$ per test and prescription copays are running anywhere between 2500$ and 4500$ a month out of pocket...We don&#039;t even make that much money. Our live consists of paying medical bills and medical credits.
We have been forced to take out a medical credit for a oral surgery last year and will be making payments for another 4 years. The insurance covered amount was a joke, and we are hoping and praying that we don&#039;t need another procedure done before the other amount is paid off. This beeing said, we worry everyday that nothing is happening to us or I get worse.

To me it is outrageous, that this country&#039;s health care system has so badly derailed, and politicans call this the best health care ever??? I guess they are never sick and never will be.

I hope, that the US will get national healthcare in place, so that everybody will be covered, no matter child, adult, married or with a pre-ex, costs manageable, so people don&#039;t have to choose between food on the table or drugs or beeing worried sick weather they will loose their house in case of an emergency. I would very much welcome a plan to take e certain percentage out of the paycheck to cover costs like in Europe. People will benefit from it in the long run instead of going bankrupt in a life time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have lived in the US for 11 years now, and I am outraged by the stupidity of the Americans when it comes to universal healthcare. They just don&#8217;t get it. There not much for change, and townhall meetings are full with elderly&#8217;s, screeming hell what they don&#8217;t want in the future, don&#8217;t need and so on, even tho they are on Medicare anyways, but I rarely see middle aged folks standing up with their opinion.<br />
The republicans scare the living hell out of the people with lies and stupid, rediculous reasons why national healthcare is bad, it makes my toe nails curl up!</p>
<p>I am a native of Germany and enjoyed the healthcare system while I lived over there. I never had to worry about my life or had to spent a penny out of pocket except for a prescription fee and some dental work. I never expedted to be seen by a doctor this instant, and I really did&#8217;t think any wait was a major dissaster, nor did I ever receive bad treatment anywhere.</p>
<p>Now to the US. I came here debt free, got a job, so did my husband. We both had seperate health insurance plans offered by our employers. No need to go out and choose one of the non competetive creedy crooks on the private market.<br />
We had a 200$ deductible, a 25$ copay when seeing a doctor, and full prescription coverage. Emergency room cost was at 100$ a visit, short and long term disability in case of an accident or illness available and coverd, plus disability payments for a time period when wages are lost. We felt fortunate and blessed that we got plans that good and felt all around secure.</p>
<p>Fast forward, two years later. I have fallen ill, needed a hospital stay, blood transfusions, lab testing and expensive medications. My illness is permanent, which puts a pre-existing condition stamp on my forehead. I lost my job, my insurance due to lack of hourly labor contribution, was left with a copay in the thousands, and the hospital collection agency calling on a daily basis. Care was excellent, no extra charges on the single room, no waiting for the doctor to show up to answer questions. To this day, I am beeing cared for in a superb manner. However, we have struggled to be covered again due to my pre-existing condition and job changes. Times have changed, private plans are so expensive, no family of three or four can afford them without taking on second and third jobs on the side. People are looking forward to employer sponsored health care plans. The downside unfortunately is, that people are stuck with those plans and outrageous deductibles and copays. I went from 200$ 11 years ago, to 6000$ today. That means, if I see a doctor, no matter what specialty, it costs me what ever he is charging, no matter the network. There has never been a shortage of in-network hospitals or doctors in my area, but that doesn&#8217;t benfit me in any way since we pay,pay,pay til doomsday up until the deductible is satisfied. Lab work in connection with a office visit is no longer covered, DNA testing is out of pocket anyway, running a whopping 1200$ per test and prescription copays are running anywhere between 2500$ and 4500$ a month out of pocket&#8230;We don&#8217;t even make that much money. Our live consists of paying medical bills and medical credits.<br />
We have been forced to take out a medical credit for a oral surgery last year and will be making payments for another 4 years. The insurance covered amount was a joke, and we are hoping and praying that we don&#8217;t need another procedure done before the other amount is paid off. This beeing said, we worry everyday that nothing is happening to us or I get worse.</p>
<p>To me it is outrageous, that this country&#8217;s health care system has so badly derailed, and politicans call this the best health care ever??? I guess they are never sick and never will be.</p>
<p>I hope, that the US will get national healthcare in place, so that everybody will be covered, no matter child, adult, married or with a pre-ex, costs manageable, so people don&#8217;t have to choose between food on the table or drugs or beeing worried sick weather they will loose their house in case of an emergency. I would very much welcome a plan to take e certain percentage out of the paycheck to cover costs like in Europe. People will benefit from it in the long run instead of going bankrupt in a life time.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very interesting and thorough blog post. I might be inspired to do the same for the Swiss, although my experience is not as extensive as yours. Looking forward to the other personal experiences....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very interesting and thorough blog post. I might be inspired to do the same for the Swiss, although my experience is not as extensive as yours. Looking forward to the other personal experiences&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Isabella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isabella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another great post about this topic!  Thanks very much for taking the time to go so in-depth!  Well done :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another great post about this topic!  Thanks very much for taking the time to go so in-depth!  Well done <img src='http://www.amiexpat.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so glad you are posting this! I think I might even send a link to my parents in the US----even though my mom doesn&#039;t have any insurance (she isn&#039;t yet old enough for Medicare), they are both terrified of a &quot;socialized&quot; system.

As a grad student in the US, I spent 6 hours in the hospital with a very bad case of the flu. Nothing drastic----but the grand total was $10,000. (Including an outrageous charge of $400 for a saline IV). My insurance left me to pay about $2,000 (and as a grad student that was my entire savings).  In comparison, this year in Germany I spent 6 DAYS in the hospital for getting my tonsils out. Total that I was charged: 60 Euros. 

I am grateful every single day for the German health care system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad you are posting this! I think I might even send a link to my parents in the US&#8212;-even though my mom doesn&#8217;t have any insurance (she isn&#8217;t yet old enough for Medicare), they are both terrified of a &#8220;socialized&#8221; system.</p>
<p>As a grad student in the US, I spent 6 hours in the hospital with a very bad case of the flu. Nothing drastic&#8212;-but the grand total was $10,000. (Including an outrageous charge of $400 for a saline IV). My insurance left me to pay about $2,000 (and as a grad student that was my entire savings).  In comparison, this year in Germany I spent 6 DAYS in the hospital for getting my tonsils out. Total that I was charged: 60 Euros. </p>
<p>I am grateful every single day for the German health care system.</p>
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		<title>By: Harvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for these posts!  
My mom suffered a heart attack when was visiting her sister in Germany back in 2003. The ambulance, an operation to place 3 stents, several days stay in intensive care and then a couple days in the normal care cost  a grand total of $ 5200, 3/4 of which got picked up by her US insurance (Tricare). I doubt she&#039;d have gotten off so cheap here in the U.S.  
I had a similar experience when I had a kidney stone removed in the Klinikum Rechts der Isar back in &#039;87 during the one month I was no longer covered by my U.S. insurance and before I&#039;d started my German job and signed up for their health insurance. The amount of money I ended up paying was amazingly low by U.S. standards.
.-= Harvey&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://mehrgedanken.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/now-for-something-really-cool/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Now for something really cool&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for these posts!<br />
My mom suffered a heart attack when was visiting her sister in Germany back in 2003. The ambulance, an operation to place 3 stents, several days stay in intensive care and then a couple days in the normal care cost  a grand total of $ 5200, 3/4 of which got picked up by her US insurance (Tricare). I doubt she&#8217;d have gotten off so cheap here in the U.S.<br />
I had a similar experience when I had a kidney stone removed in the Klinikum Rechts der Isar back in &#8217;87 during the one month I was no longer covered by my U.S. insurance and before I&#8217;d started my German job and signed up for their health insurance. The amount of money I ended up paying was amazingly low by U.S. standards.<br />
.-= Harvey&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://mehrgedanken.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/now-for-something-really-cool/" rel="nofollow">Now for something really cool</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: rositta</title>
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		<dc:creator>rositta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was last in Germany my aunt complained that she was not getting enough physio for her shoulder. Germans should thank their lucky stars for the kind of health care they have. I personally envy you all. Getting and MRI in days, a cat scan in hours, wow. We can&#039;t even pay for it here, we&#039;d have to drive to to the U.S. to do that. Good writing...ciao
.-= rositta&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://theviewfromher.blogspot.com/2009/08/were-weve-been.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Were We&#039;ve Been&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was last in Germany my aunt complained that she was not getting enough physio for her shoulder. Germans should thank their lucky stars for the kind of health care they have. I personally envy you all. Getting and MRI in days, a cat scan in hours, wow. We can&#8217;t even pay for it here, we&#8217;d have to drive to to the U.S. to do that. Good writing&#8230;ciao<br />
.-= rositta&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://theviewfromher.blogspot.com/2009/08/were-weve-been.html" rel="nofollow">Were We&#8217;ve Been</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Quickroute</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quickroute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was lucky that my company covered 50% of my medical insurance costs in New York but even then it was expensive.  The quality of service was pretty bad - long waits for my GP even though an appointment had been made and the support staff were rude beyond belief.

When I lived in UK the healthcare was free but long  waiting times were frequent and you were shifted out the door in 5 minutes for a GP visit.

I remember the healthcare in Australia was pretty good but you had to pay as you go although not too expensive.

There is free healthcare in Argentina but most expats avail of private care which is as expensive as USA but better.

Still figuring out how it all works in Hong Kong!
.-= Quickroute&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/IrishExpatInBuenosAires/~3/DtXWqzaoM0M/macau-china.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Macau, China&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was lucky that my company covered 50% of my medical insurance costs in New York but even then it was expensive.  The quality of service was pretty bad &#8211; long waits for my GP even though an appointment had been made and the support staff were rude beyond belief.</p>
<p>When I lived in UK the healthcare was free but long  waiting times were frequent and you were shifted out the door in 5 minutes for a GP visit.</p>
<p>I remember the healthcare in Australia was pretty good but you had to pay as you go although not too expensive.</p>
<p>There is free healthcare in Argentina but most expats avail of private care which is as expensive as USA but better.</p>
<p>Still figuring out how it all works in Hong Kong!<br />
.-= Quickroute&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/IrishExpatInBuenosAires/~3/DtXWqzaoM0M/macau-china.html" rel="nofollow">Macau, China</a> =-.</p>
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