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		<title>By: ClubPenguinCheats</title>
		<link>http://www.amiexpat.com/2009/08/11/racist-tasteless-or-provocative/comment-page-1/#comment-56511</link>
		<dc:creator>ClubPenguinCheats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 12:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whereas the green party is pro-gay marriage and all the legal rights that go along with it. meaning for example adoption. so i don’t see this topic tasteless in any way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whereas the green party is pro-gay marriage and all the legal rights that go along with it. meaning for example adoption. so i don’t see this topic tasteless in any way.</p>
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		<title>By: Ric</title>
		<link>http://www.amiexpat.com/2009/08/11/racist-tasteless-or-provocative/comment-page-1/#comment-13282</link>
		<dc:creator>Ric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep in mind that the Greens love to provoke. 
Their Chairwoman, Claudio Roth, recently called the Oktoberfest the &quot;world&#039;s largest drug scene&quot; (for their excessive consumption of beer). They want to provoke die-hards and conservatives, and use that cosmopolitical and homosexual Picture to do so. 
Maybe it&#039;s weird... but yeah, that&#039;s about it I&#039;d say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep in mind that the Greens love to provoke.<br />
Their Chairwoman, Claudio Roth, recently called the Oktoberfest the &#8220;world&#8217;s largest drug scene&#8221; (for their excessive consumption of beer). They want to provoke die-hards and conservatives, and use that cosmopolitical and homosexual Picture to do so.<br />
Maybe it&#8217;s weird&#8230; but yeah, that&#8217;s about it I&#8217;d say.</p>
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		<title>By: ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am with Christina on this.  There are other readings that you just can&#039;t entirely turn off (clearly not intended), but still enough to make my skin crawl. There would have been other ways to shoot this, von mir aus, showing just as much skin that might have hinted less at possession and made me less uncomfortable.
  I&#039;m really tired and started reading commentary before I started really thinking about the poster, so I hadn&#039;t even processed the same-sex angle yet. I was thinking - good thing they used grabby girl hands, because grabby white man hands on that backside would have pushed this thing even _further_ over the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am with Christina on this.  There are other readings that you just can&#8217;t entirely turn off (clearly not intended), but still enough to make my skin crawl. There would have been other ways to shoot this, von mir aus, showing just as much skin that might have hinted less at possession and made me less uncomfortable.<br />
  I&#8217;m really tired and started reading commentary before I started really thinking about the poster, so I hadn&#8217;t even processed the same-sex angle yet. I was thinking &#8211; good thing they used grabby girl hands, because grabby white man hands on that backside would have pushed this thing even _further_ over the line.</p>
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		<title>By: Tammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the poster can&#039;t be so effective when I had to read through a couple of explanations in this comment section to actually get what it means.  Admittedly, I am a pretty uninformed when it comes to German politics though.  Generally, I am pretty turned off by any political ads that objectify women as a means to make themselves noticed.  Greens seem to be falling to the level of PETA to get themselves some publicity lately (they are also the ones behind the Merkel cleavage thing).
.-= Tammy&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mt-regensburg.com/blog/?p=972&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Happy birthday grandma!&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the poster can&#8217;t be so effective when I had to read through a couple of explanations in this comment section to actually get what it means.  Admittedly, I am a pretty uninformed when it comes to German politics though.  Generally, I am pretty turned off by any political ads that objectify women as a means to make themselves noticed.  Greens seem to be falling to the level of PETA to get themselves some publicity lately (they are also the ones behind the Merkel cleavage thing).<br />
.-= Tammy&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.mt-regensburg.com/blog/?p=972" rel="nofollow">Happy birthday grandma!</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: GermanintheUS</title>
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		<dc:creator>GermanintheUS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello! I find this picture very tasteless. I am not  sure if it is racist? I can imagine that a black person would be offended by it. It implies that black people are good for sex but not political decisions. I could not imagine seeing this poster here in the United States. 

@Dave: I agree with you that Americans seem to be more sensitive to race and cultural differences. However, this seems to be at a superficial level. There are some people I got to know who I thought were very charming and nice. After the get to know you part was over I learned some (let me call it interesting) character traits about them that shocked me deeply. Somebody called me a &quot;Nasty old Kraut&quot; once. He meant that as a joke but I did not think it was very funny. He was surprised I found this offensive. I heard people use racist expressions like &quot;Jewbags&quot; or &quot;Jewbastards&quot;. They used it as a normal and conversational expressions. Just like you would order a coffee at Starbucks. I was like &quot;What the Fu**?&quot; 

@Rhona: I think with you generalization that most Germans would be surprised that others might be offended by it shows some prejudice from your part. Do you know all or most Germans?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello! I find this picture very tasteless. I am not  sure if it is racist? I can imagine that a black person would be offended by it. It implies that black people are good for sex but not political decisions. I could not imagine seeing this poster here in the United States. </p>
<p>@Dave: I agree with you that Americans seem to be more sensitive to race and cultural differences. However, this seems to be at a superficial level. There are some people I got to know who I thought were very charming and nice. After the get to know you part was over I learned some (let me call it interesting) character traits about them that shocked me deeply. Somebody called me a &#8220;Nasty old Kraut&#8221; once. He meant that as a joke but I did not think it was very funny. He was surprised I found this offensive. I heard people use racist expressions like &#8220;Jewbags&#8221; or &#8220;Jewbastards&#8221;. They used it as a normal and conversational expressions. Just like you would order a coffee at Starbucks. I was like &#8220;What the Fu**?&#8221; </p>
<p>@Rhona: I think with you generalization that most Germans would be surprised that others might be offended by it shows some prejudice from your part. Do you know all or most Germans?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Hanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Put me in the racist camp on this one. Joking about skin color out of context is racist, period.
Via a mention on the German blog &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.schockwellenreiter.de/blog/2009/08/12/wahlkrampf-2009-titten-und-arsche/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Schockwellenreiter&lt;/a&gt;, I found that the Green faction in Kaarst has posted an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gruene-kaarst.de/51g/g51kaarst.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;explanation&lt;/a&gt; of the poster. I say if you need to explain a poster, it has failed.

A commenter at the Schockwellenreiter also posed the question... where are those hands coming from? They don&#039;t seem to be attached to a body at all...
.-= Scott Hanson&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.papascott.de/archives/2009/08/12/t-and-a-politics/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;T and A Politics&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put me in the racist camp on this one. Joking about skin color out of context is racist, period.<br />
Via a mention on the German blog <a href="http://www.schockwellenreiter.de/blog/2009/08/12/wahlkrampf-2009-titten-und-arsche/" rel="nofollow">Schockwellenreiter</a>, I found that the Green faction in Kaarst has posted an <a href="http://www.gruene-kaarst.de/51g/g51kaarst.html" rel="nofollow">explanation</a> of the poster. I say if you need to explain a poster, it has failed.</p>
<p>A commenter at the Schockwellenreiter also posed the question&#8230; where are those hands coming from? They don&#8217;t seem to be attached to a body at all&#8230;<br />
.-= Scott Hanson&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.papascott.de/archives/2009/08/12/t-and-a-politics/" rel="nofollow">T and A Politics</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Alyson K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alyson K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know.. I&#039;ve thought this over a bit, and while I&#039;m hesitant to label it as outright racist, it definitely does not inspire warm fuzzy feelings on my part.  I&#039;ve tried to narrow the reasons why down to 2 things.

First, it&#039;s not just the message or the pic, it&#039;s the combination of the two.  I mean, if you want to make a point about &quot;not choosing/ voting for black&quot;, aren&#039;t there plenty of other black colored things with the right connotation that could&#039;ve been used??

Two, you kinda have to think a bit to get it-- not something I&#039;m opposed to, mind you, but not something you really want in an ad somebody&#039;s going to see just passing by.

Then again, I can also say that those impressions definitely come from the &quot;American&quot; side of my nature.  (The German side, notably, has no problem with a naked posterior.)  Ultimately, it just kind of leave me slightly confused and a bit uneasy....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know.. I&#8217;ve thought this over a bit, and while I&#8217;m hesitant to label it as outright racist, it definitely does not inspire warm fuzzy feelings on my part.  I&#8217;ve tried to narrow the reasons why down to 2 things.</p>
<p>First, it&#8217;s not just the message or the pic, it&#8217;s the combination of the two.  I mean, if you want to make a point about &#8220;not choosing/ voting for black&#8221;, aren&#8217;t there plenty of other black colored things with the right connotation that could&#8217;ve been used??</p>
<p>Two, you kinda have to think a bit to get it&#8211; not something I&#8217;m opposed to, mind you, but not something you really want in an ad somebody&#8217;s going to see just passing by.</p>
<p>Then again, I can also say that those impressions definitely come from the &#8220;American&#8221; side of my nature.  (The German side, notably, has no problem with a naked posterior.)  Ultimately, it just kind of leave me slightly confused and a bit uneasy&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The obvious implication is that black people have sexy behinds. This is tied in the mind to “the only reason to choose black”, and if you think to the metaphor they create it’s easy not to stop at “CDU/Black party”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;it can also be translated as “The only reason to choose black,” which with the image, made me think “The only reason to choose a black person is for sex,” not for a job, a political office, a friend.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wow, I didn&#039;t get the racist part at &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt;.  I interpreted the picture, when linked up with the &quot;schwarz wählen,&quot; to mean that girl chose that other girl, who happened to be black, and that more emphasis was on the same-sex aspect than the racial one.  But my personal experience with racism is next to nothing, so I guess that informs what I see.
.-= Sarah&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.regensblog.com/2009/08/11/airberlincom-special-offers/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;airberlin.com - Special Offers&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The obvious implication is that black people have sexy behinds. This is tied in the mind to “the only reason to choose black”, and if you think to the metaphor they create it’s easy not to stop at “CDU/Black party”.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>it can also be translated as “The only reason to choose black,” which with the image, made me think “The only reason to choose a black person is for sex,” not for a job, a political office, a friend.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wow, I didn&#8217;t get the racist part at <i>all</i>.  I interpreted the picture, when linked up with the &#8220;schwarz wählen,&#8221; to mean that girl chose that other girl, who happened to be black, and that more emphasis was on the same-sex aspect than the racial one.  But my personal experience with racism is next to nothing, so I guess that informs what I see.<br />
.-= Sarah&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.regensblog.com/2009/08/11/airberlincom-special-offers/" rel="nofollow">airberlin.com &#8211; Special Offers</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Onkel Mo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Onkel Mo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s racist (me being a western white male) (I know that always matters in those discussions). At least it&#039;s not intended, the Greens are the last ones to be racist.

Can it be understood in a racist way? Well, I think almost nobody (over here) would, other than people really sensitive for that, for whatever reasons.
I think almost everybody will just recognize a bad pun and go on, without even thinking as far as you, Christina, to “The only reason to choose a black person is for sex” (for me, the image would rather convey &quot;love&quot; than &quot;sex&quot;, but maybe that&#039;s just me). 

What I pretty immediately noticed was the hint at homosexuality.

(And now I&#039;m trying to wrap my mind about the idea of a pro-gay-marriage racist)


I don&#039;t like the poster (other than for visual reasons - I&#039;m a guy, after all). First of all, I don&#039;t think we need sex (or hints at it) in election campaigns. Then, I don&#039;t like campaigns centering on &quot;don&#039;t vote the others&quot;.
There have to be better reasons for voting for anybody.
.-= Onkel Mo&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Onkel_Mo/~3/Bv8lWZQtRBs/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wir werden alle sterben.&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s racist (me being a western white male) (I know that always matters in those discussions). At least it&#8217;s not intended, the Greens are the last ones to be racist.</p>
<p>Can it be understood in a racist way? Well, I think almost nobody (over here) would, other than people really sensitive for that, for whatever reasons.<br />
I think almost everybody will just recognize a bad pun and go on, without even thinking as far as you, Christina, to “The only reason to choose a black person is for sex” (for me, the image would rather convey &#8220;love&#8221; than &#8220;sex&#8221;, but maybe that&#8217;s just me). </p>
<p>What I pretty immediately noticed was the hint at homosexuality.</p>
<p>(And now I&#8217;m trying to wrap my mind about the idea of a pro-gay-marriage racist)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like the poster (other than for visual reasons &#8211; I&#8217;m a guy, after all). First of all, I don&#8217;t think we need sex (or hints at it) in election campaigns. Then, I don&#8217;t like campaigns centering on &#8220;don&#8217;t vote the others&#8221;.<br />
There have to be better reasons for voting for anybody.<br />
.-= Onkel Mo&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Onkel_Mo/~3/Bv8lWZQtRBs/" rel="nofollow">Wir werden alle sterben.</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: T and A Politics — PapaScott</title>
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		<dc:creator>T and A Politics — PapaScott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (Left: Berlin CDU Bundestag candidate Vera Lengsfeld, &#8220;We have more to offer&#8221;, seen at 50% of my DNA. Right: Local Green poster in Kaarst, NRW, &#8220;The only reason to vote black&#8221;, seen at AmiExpat) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (Left: Berlin CDU Bundestag candidate Vera Lengsfeld, &#8220;We have more to offer&#8221;, seen at 50% of my DNA. Right: Local Green poster in Kaarst, NRW, &#8220;The only reason to vote black&#8221;, seen at AmiExpat) [...]</p>
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